Yes, it was into the body nut, which set in a plastic clip, on the vinyl frame.
It was rusted, so went out and bought a 45 needle nose, so I could grab it behind the plate. That didn't work.
Found tutorial on removing bumber, but got more complicated than the video on the 2008 that I found. That didn't work.
So, I grinded(ground?) them off with the dremel and pushed them through.
Replaced the body clip with one that does not have a nut.
Thanks for the advice/comments.